I experience problems with my drive train (my shifting doesn’t go smoothly) and my chain is popping. I have the new Kickr and a P2M Type S with 3000 miles on it and the battery is good. so not sure I can use one at all . The 1′ rests were not long enough to restore the KICRK back to normal and a spin down did not help. For Zwift [and other such apps], is it better to connect via ANT+ or BT? The KICKR is ready to take on your gravel, mountain, or road bike to make sure you meet your training needs.Robust steel construction ensures our Wahoo KICKR trainer stays in place while you crank out the watts and can withstand years of abuse by the most demanding athletes.With over 2,000 watts of resistance and impressive durability, you are guaranteed to get the most out of your indoor training. I aim to leave no stone unturned. 3) Improved Responsiveness: Another hardware change increased the responsiveness of the unit during massive instant leaps of power (I.e. It’s not a total deal killer, but it’s annoying when you’ve got a mis-match. I am planning on purchasing either a Kickr or a Hammer in the immediate future. This is where i finally figured out the problem… and for me at least, it was temp drift on the KICKR. Besides, if it was the brake itself, it would make that level of noise anytime it’s at that resistance level. I use it since last week, a XD body (10-50 cassette) and a Kickr 2017. Ships within United States. I called Wahoo support and they confirmed. Currently I have a Computrainer and a Kurt Kinetic Road Machine. Wahoo support was of no help so I’m hoping my LBS has a solution. You will never need to worry about pushing the KICKR’s limits, only yours.A more reliable and accurate power measurement system (+/- 2%) provides a true workout experience, from free-riding to using online platforms like Zwift and TrainerRoad. Thanks! connection to their unit so that you can hardwire it to your compute or router if you so desire? I have the same problem with my 2017 kickr riconditioned, i buyed it in 06/2018. Thanks in advance. Wahoo support were pretty helpful especially once I sent them that data. So I did a few workouts over the past 2-3 weeks to validate things are all happy panda. I cover all the units to buy (and avoid) for the 2020-2021 indoor training season. They could claim they are custom bikes used by pro riders and the bikes aren’t used for more then one season so small amounts of long term damage doesn’t matter for pro riders but will for home users who keep their bike a long time. I’m concerned that all calibrating will do will simply change the point that the drift occurs? I would hate to purchase such a pricey piece of kit to find that my bike doesn’t fit . An update to the main mast also ensures clearance for flat mount and disk brake equipped bikes. 2) Added 12×148 thru axle compatibility On big rides I might even do it during a ride! Even more, if you use Backcountry.com or Competitive Cyclist with coupon code DCRAINMAKER, first time users save 15% on applicable products! Original KICKR … The P2M is upstream of the kickr and reading lower power so it’s not a drivetrain issue. In my opinion, there’s meant to be minimal coasting when doing indoor riding and training, so I see it as a lesser issue. Every bike company says it, and every bike company can be ignored. So does it work with the frame’s own thru-axle now or are wonky adapters still required? Also note, I use a riser block with *every* trainer. TRusername October 29, 2019, 10:36pm #1. No problem, here's the platform I use - you can too! The Wahoo Fitness app includes an option to have an ANT+ power meter control the KICKR but there is no mention of a Bluetooth power meter. The Kickr measured 351 watts and the P2M measured 329 watts. In many ways, indoor cycling is even more so, with the Wahoo KICKR… Yeah, typically speaking I almost never have any issues as long as both cassettes were properly installed going back and forth between wheel and direct drive trainers (across a lot of bikes). @jonathan The thing that I don’t know is about noise in the reduction gearing and housing when the brake is applied. I’m having an issue with the drive side thru-axle spacer as well. KICKR power and precision in a simple and stable design, makes KICKR … Does that work on the UK site too? Many readers stumble into my website in search of information on the latest and greatest sports tech products. The bike has remained inside at very consistent temperature and I have started coasting for 4-5 seconds between intervals so the P2M can re-calibrate to no avail. I installed a J-tek Shiftmate to adjust the rear derailleur movement to be more compatible with the cassette spacing. And as always, feel free to post comments or questions in the comments section below, I’ll be happy to try and answer them as quickly as possible. Here’s a look at one that I did back while testing out the new Wahoo ELEMNT/BOLT workout control that was recently released. TrainerRoad, no powermatching. I would purchase the 2018 release, because my 2014 kickr was great. I’ll try the advanced spin down and manual calibration again but even Wahoo recommended using power match so my numbers are consistent indoors and out of the difference remains. For comparison, the KICKR 2017 and previous generations had a 12.5 lbs flywheel. Each time I coasted the basic “howl” got louder with the free hub in the background, as soon as I pedaled again the “howl” got quieter by a lot. I had the Kickr first generation and loved to train with it. There are designs that have different tone, volume and frequency when the freewheel is coasting. This keeps my speed around 12mph at 90rpm. Compatibility 10 / 10. 5 out of 5 stars. I’d make a big bet the basic freewheel is loud and is amped up because of the large structure around it, so I think you have that part right. Thanks Ray, If part/product nummer is WFBKTR117, then it is the 2017 model – or check ean number, new one is 853988006362. Or more precisely, just about the end of new trainer announcement. Smart Trainers Buyers Guide: Looking at a smart trainer this winter? My canyon has little caps over the they axle ole that holds the rear mech on…. Will Wahoo stand behind its previous loyal customers and provide an axle adapter kit to use the Climb with older Kickrs? Unless you have a disc brake bike with thru-axle! Design 8 / 10. . I purchased the 2017 kickr reconditioned last summer. In today’s test, certainly the freehub is a different tone – but is indeed less in volume others. Use Ray’s tool to see if the moment of calibration is in relation with the Kickr’s drift off. I just have a simple question. I know of nobody (including myself) that's bought one that's unhappy with it. The KICKR CLIMB simulates a climb by raising (more). It can hold a tablet up on edge too. KICKR Troubleshooting. Hello You'll support the site, and get ad-free DCR! You can click here to Subscribe without commenting. Nothing else makes sense. This is an older review – jump to the in-depth review of the latest/current Wahoo KICKR here ! I got the V2 with fingers crossed that Wahoo would eventually come up with a Boost-148 compatible hack, which they did in the form of a new model…I would like to train on both my RB (Campy 10sp) and MTB (12×148). Hi! Hi Ray If you’re looking at trainers in general, I don’t anticipate any other trainers here at Eurobike, and I think we’ve seen the end of new units for the season. One of the most popular trainer fans out there, rivaling the Wahoo Headwind fan in strength but at a fraction of the price. 4) Connectivity and Troubleshooting:  Added in new connectivity lights to understand what’s connected I've had this for years, and use it in places where I don't have a big screen or desk, but just an iPad or tablet on my road bike bars. I warmed up, conducted a spindown, and completed a 20 minute test on TrainerRoad. I don’t see anything yet but it’s early. I have a Tacx Neo. link to youtube.com. Yup, absolutely – I definitely appreciate it! If you are experiencing issues with your KICKR, please see this page to find your issue listed in the main gray area in the center of the page. Love the site and reviews. Below are the most popular. Well honestly…not much. Yeah – don’t know if it was a surge or not (I assume yes). I think if you only used the KICKR to measure your FTP (which would be overestimated) and do workouts, you’re probably fine. Use your thru-axle on Kickr 17, see Shane Miller’s video, skip ahead to 3:11: I have never had a trainer so I would like to know if the rear derailleur has to be re-adjusted when you put your bike on a trainer and then put your rear wheel back on? I never gave a thought about compatibility with smart trainers. Does this really matter? I’ll give my next workout a try without PowerMatch to see what happens. A Kickr take’s it power on the hub, the 4iii on the crank. Stupid question but will my 2015 Cervelo P3 fit onto the Kickr? And I presume your manual cal of the P2M was inside after temp stabilization? Yes, I have my Kickr sending data to both Garmin 520 (via ANT+) and to Zwift running on my MacBook Pro laptop (via Bluetooth). In any case, I’d just swap out the cassette on the KICKR. So you can’t use a 12 speed Eagle on a KICKR? Yeah, that’s why I concluded with “Maybe there’s more to the story…” . I have been riding since April with a cannondale cad x and I ride 2 to 4 times a week, training for my first century. As for the cassette, I don’t think anything fits the SRAM XD body or cassette at the moment. What ever came of this? Nice reviews as usual! I have a blend of 10/11 speed bikes and often do what you noted. After some frustration with that I’ve decided my Kickr is here to stay as for it’s superb build quality, I can change fast between my MTB, road bike and the Mss. Now I wish I hadn’t swapped out the KICKR just for my wife who doesn’t even ride as much as me! Anyone else have experience with this? DC – you see any reason the Climb in Manual mode would not work with a Neo? I dont have disk brakes nor thru axle, so if I am reading it right I may as well get the older version and save a few $$? The problem is with Zwift (or anything else where you use gearing) is that you’ll get certain gears that shift like crap (or don’t shift at all). Required fields are marked.If you would like a profile picture, simply register at Gravatar, which works here on DCR and across the web. Has anybody tried this, and if so, what has been your experience? I have been having the same problem, but just took me a while to realize it was happening. The electromagnetic brake on these is near silent. That’s where I’m confused – both 4iiii and the KICKR 2017 state that they do active temperature compensation. Is the bike 2 weeks on the Kickr, I do a spin down every 2/3 days. I would like to pair my Quarq ANT+ power meter to my KICKR which I use with the Wahoo Fitness app on an iPhone or an iPad. And instead of wonky not-in-the-box QR conversion kit required with 2016, with the 2017 Kickr the conversion kit is in the box. I know theoretically the KICKR would work with the 10 but would it be prudent to just upgrade to the 11? Photo Erik Jonsson. Just bought a surge protector for the new one and keeping it unplugged when not in use. (I reserve the right to be wrong.) 11-speed), and how many speeds is your MTB setup for? Comments (180) Heads up! But if you’re in the market for a new trainer, especially a new KICKR, then certainly you’d want to pickup the new KICKR 2017 (KICKR 3). KICKR '16 Firmware Updates. Seems like I have the same issue you had. Then I pedaled forward for a bit until I got the speed stabilized (with my hand of the pedal) then I coasted. There should he a sleep/disconnect function that protects the device under “normal” use of being plugged in over time when not in use. My conclusion is that longish intervals >250W heats up the KICKR and it either overcompensates, or does not compensate enough, for the change. I am thinking of buying the KickR and after reading the discussion I did not see where anyone is using Garmin 520 with their unit and Zwift. Is it worth buying the 2017 Kickr for the current Wahoo price of $999 while I still can? This is a collagment to a youtube video where you hear the same noise I have Here's the thing, some people like front wheel blocks, some don't. It allows you to compare power meters/trainers, heart rate, cadence, speed/pace, GPS tracks and plenty more. I take things to a whole new level of interactive depth! Is it the same kickr? My Kickr3 really screams when the brake is operating even though it is pretty quiet most of the time. As a new cyclist, is it worth waiting for a newer version? @Henry – did you ever figure out the issue and get a solution? I can then connect the head unit to my phone, also by BT. Also, if you didn’t know – the earlier KICKR’s all received a firmware update that allows you to leverage the same accuracy tweaks as the 2016 KICKR received; that update came out earlier this year. $29. So, whether free-riding or using online platforms like Zwift and Trainer Road, you will have the same experience you feel on your favorite outdoor rides. Thanks for any advice or better explanation of what is happening to help me explain to Wahoo Support better. I only believe in power data when it comes from strain gauges as we all know that’s not the case within a Kickr. My one concern is with the noise of these trainers. Connected my ant+ heart rate monitor, wahoo cadence sensor and Kickr17 no problem , So if I am looking to buy the new Kickr 2017, the only way to know it is a 2017 versus 2016 is the cut out near the skewer? They complained again. So it’s upgrade to V3 and train only on MTB or stay on V2 with only RB….or go to another manufacturer, or of course just upgrade to Campy 11….dang bike company’s. I also have it sometimes drop (not completely stop) in resistance and then the readings go haywire. How is the noice is it less loud then 2016 verison ? with fixed legs and possibly de-rated capabilities is coming (per FCC docs via Google search). So I am looking for some advice. Why is it no one that does reviews on trainers ever asks the company to make a cat 5/hdmi etc. Of course, I have no idea if this is the case or if it is the freewheel since I don’t have the Kickr anymore. Is there a place I can send it directly? Add to Cart. I did sets 1 and 3 on the KICKR and 2 and 4 on the Neo. KICKR Troubleshooting. Using the large chain ring, things can get pretty loud. Overall as you might guess there’s little reason for most people to rush out and buy a new KICKR if you’re already a KICKR owner…unless you want CLIMB compatibility. I have pretty similar issues to those above with a stable temp in the room although cool (16-18oC). They have a repair program but I don’t want to keep putting money into since it is fried. Same goes for the series of smaller sprints a few minutes later: None of this is really any surprise. At the very least (even if they tell you to unplug it) they should look at that as “expected misuse” and design the unit to handle that situation without allowing damage to occur. Anyone figured out what is going on here? Thanks! KICKR indoor trainer's large flywheel uses new algorithms to improve responsiveness and better replicate the sensation of riding on the road. And to compliment that, here’s The Girl’s (my wife’s) list. Want to compare the features of each product, down to the nitty-gritty? That trainer has been great so far. That points directly to the freewheel mechanism as the source. I am about to go bonkers here. Now, that first line item is more accurately broken out into three separate line items: 1) Increased 12×142 thru axle compatibility [Note: The Wahoo KICKR 2017 is no longer available to purchase, as such, I’ve shown the most current version below – the Wahoo KICKR 2020, for purchase links.]. Need to dig through old files because I wasn’t paying as close attention to my training early on using this Kickr to see. When do we think they will pull the covers off their own power meter (likely pedals?) I see the 2016 model can now be purchased at a bit of a discount. I’m looking in the $900 market for a trainer. Both do everything else. Harsh but fair. Check out To recap those, the differences would be: 1) Made it quieter: A reduction in both volume, but also more importantly tone of the sound (it’s not silent) Do you know a solution if you have seen it elsewhere? As you probably noticed by looking below, I also take time to answer all the questions posted in the comments – and there’s quite a bit of detail in there as well. For ERG mode it doesn’t matter much since you can just fine the gearing that works and stay there. The Neo stayed stable. I think I can convince them to open up the KICKR SNAP to allowing it, since they’ve admitted there’s almost zero reason it will impact the frame. AFAIK: Prices are unchanged from the 2016 version coming in at USD $1199.99 EURO €1199.99 CAD $1699.99 GBP £999.99 AUD $1599.95. I recently switched from a KICKR to a Tacx Neo and was very confused why sweet spot and threshold workouts on the Neo had a higher RPE and higher HR. It doesn’t cost you anything extra, but your purchases help support this website a lot. That being the case, there are several freewheel designs that are quiet and nearly silent for some. Curious if you ever got a resolution. Thanks. Why haven’t you yet released a review for XYZ product you mentioned months ago? Can I still link through to it for the uk site to give you credit? The only exception would be if it was receiving power out of the recommended range on the power supply. No, the 2016 model lacks the pivoting axle and will damage your frame. A little disappointed when both companies claim +\-2% and then you have a 5-10% difference in steady intervals. Do I really have to keep pulling the power cord after each use? Wahoo Fitness is a tech-fitness company that … I have a trek ProCaliber 9.9SL Boost frame and it was not able to fit. 34,024. I generally calibrate every couple of weeks anyhow and I’ll go ahead and do that but it just seems strange that it drifts out so suddenly at the halfway point in that ride.. fyi, I calibrate every ride. When I connect my Elemnt to the Kickr first [with my phone BT off], it connects by BT. Thanks to those who will give me answers. All after warming up and proper spin downs. So when in a room with a bunch of kickr units and you want to pair with the one you are on…. It comes with the robust trainer, a new 11-speed cassette pre-installed, skewer, and a bag of small parts that include a cadence sensor … I have a CycleOps PowerBeam Pro with a similar brake, but is a wheel-on trainer. All it does is stop sweat for getting places it shouldn't (it also helps with vibrations too). With the 2017 Kickr your bike should fit without removing rear brake from bike, kinda a big deal for those of us with post-mounted disc brakes. but you have a mtb with sram eagle 12v and when you train with kickr use te standard 11 speed or you have tryed the sunrace 12v in the version not XD body? So what’s so different about the 2017 version compared to the 2016 version? The bike has also the SRAM EAGLE so XD body…. so you simply take your wheel off your 12 speed bike, and drop it directly on the kickr’s included 11speed cassette and it works?