This is a sad saga. 4 words) Description (Max 100 words) The renewed and improved NEO 2 Smart is the … Can we EVER hope for a price drop on the Neo? The problem is the cassette is to far over towards the nondrive side by 2mm which is causing an incorrect chainline meaning the front crank is pulling the chain INTO centre of the teeth which is causing the noise. If he just installed last night, Vector typically takes about a ride to stabilize, at which point you should calibrate again. The high-end NEO Bike Smart trainer from Tacx is absolutely revolutionary! link to analyze.dcrainmaker.com I was hoping to use the member coupon and also avail myself of local returns in case there are problems with the unit. Re pressure on rear derailer? Now you’ll notice there’s no level or other way to manually control resistance – that all requires software and an app of some sort. Inspired by that comparison, I created my own Zwift workout that does the following intervals: 30 seconds at 50W (to allow me to shift gear), 1 minute at 100W, 1 minute at 200W, 1 minute at 300W. Wiggle. Lasko High Velocity Pro-Performance Fan (U15617). ), it does not even apply to the Neo because the canadian distributor won’t allow it… About a month away from going to Elite ! Much more like road riding than say a Wattbike. On those the NEO registered maybe 5% higher right at first as I was trying to get the cranks turning. Final video. De Tacx Neo Bike Smart T8000 is eigenlijk een complete fiets die je in jouw huis neer kunt zetten. The reason for the difference is simple: The trainer is made in the Netherlands (Europe) and thus it takes about a month for the shipping containers to make it to the US via boat. Meanwhile, I use the Neo on Zwift with the pedals as the power source and the Neo as the controlling unit. That’s why we’ve come up with a trainer right in between: the big brother of the iconic FLUX. As in over time? link to analyze.dcrainmaker.com, I also collected the Di2 shifting record: Crossing my fingers on the new one. You may however need to adjust the alignment of the cassette that is on the wheel of your bike so you can transfer the bike between the Neo and bike use without having to play around adjusting the derailleur every time. In some gear combinations, the power differential between the Tacx Neo and Quarq DFour91 was relatively small at all three targets power levels of 100W, 200W and 300W. Just makes sense to me. Where should I look to try to match those numbers and avoid having two different FTP settings for indoor/outdoor? All the devices were paired with a MIO HRM to allow a common source for both bike computers. but now that my neo is ordered all i can do is keep my fingers crossed hoping my frame will be in the list.. Well, we found that the gap between the FLUX S and the NEO 2 was a bit too big. Apparently there are no parts which functioning is variable with temperature. I've got three of these $12 fans floating around the DCR Cave, and I frequently use them on rides. Haha…I mostly do it for myself – so I can figure out which power cable is which later on. Cadence change every minute. Checking out the Tacx website it appears that this may be a known issue as it says that a flashing red light may indicate a problem with the fan. I.e. are you seeing this sort of behavior? Constant? I would like to know also. high end with 6kg you can assume that 6kg will give you much better flywheel effect. However the downside to this is that it can be a bit finicky to connect the bike to the trainer, especially if you have a bike (such as my triathlon bike) that has rear-facing dropouts. About the only thing you could potentially be upset about is the weight. Hi Rey, When you establish a Bluetooth Smart connection, the BLE light should illuminate. Maybe the units that make this noise have been bumped hard or something during shipping. my bad. Even it had problems I would still love it. on 200 watts one power meter can say 198 and the other 202… Both in range of ±1% but the difference is 2% between the lower and upper limit. Wir haben den kultigen, progressiven und beliebten NEO 2 Smart noch weiter optimiert. the NEO). Plus, they’re totally open and easy for 3rd parties to support. you should provide a one-off option to contribute. This morning I got a reply from Tacx telling me to do what I had already done contact the vendor. GUTES FAHRGEFÜHL. I have heard that there is a deviation, it seems that for the same effort taxc neo measures more watts than power2max. Unfortunately the vendor is in Portland and I’m in Brooklyn so this is not going to happen tomorrow. I am considering the purchase for several reasons but with the price drop in trainers as of lately, I am on the fence. I read your review but unless I missed it I didn’t see anything about the power gauge on the neo. While both of these trainers have similar technical capabilities, the actual hardware aspects of them are dramatically different. I assume you got two different length spacers for the non drive side of the Neo? It’s easy to detect when you stop pedaling and continue to rotate motor but is that simulated inertia work the same as real one for muscles ? Buy in monthly payments with Affirm on orders over $50. If that assumption is made but trainer B is actually more accurate in holding power at 36-21, wouldn’t the result of the test be skewed to be less favorable to trainer B? Speaking of bad support … this is what I got, when I ask the same question I put here: If you want to compare this go to the FB page of Tacx NEO owners The Tacx Neo 2 Smart T2850 is a Direct Drive bike trainer that makes your indoor bike training feel like the real deal. - 3 minutes 200W ERG test. Anyway, you need a washer the exact and I mean exact size to match the inside and outside diameter of the “end” of that black fixing bolt. VERBESSERTE ACHSKOMPATIBILITÄT Did you do some reading on this? I just received my second Neo. 5) Neo speed ramp test. The Tacx Neo was paired via Bluetooth with Zwift, running on a MacBook Air, as a controllable trainer, as well as power meter and cadence/speed sensor. Zeigen Sie Ihre Trainingsdaten auf diesen Geräten an. Yet, we’ve pushed its technical limits and created an even more quiet Smart trainer. I may stick some P1 pedals on it one of these days to compare more directly. When going down descents, you can choose not to … Below are the most popular. So should I be concerned about this gap or do you think it’s normal? Then if Tacx doesn’t help you I would say the spacer like I made should work and you should not have to spread your frame so much that it would cause damage. Durch neu konstruierte Magneten konnten wir die Laufruhe des NEO 2T erheblich verbessern. I bought a Neo this week and after analyzing my first interval ride I figured out that the difference between the Neo and my Power2Max Typ S is 6% with the Power2Max as the lower figure. Hi there, I wasn’t able to read all the comments, but I know that some of you question the Tax NEO accuracy, so here it goes my lates test, which make me also question it … Lernen Sie die Welt kennen, mit Filmen in höchster Qualität und GPS-Trainings – gemeinsam mit Ihren Freunden. In many ways I feel like aside from the NEO, the sweet spot in the Tacx lineup is at the Satori/Vortex levels. Leading to an even smoother ride feel than its predecessor. Tacx designs the motor to provide a better indoor cycling experience and ride feel, especially for sprints and climbs. How simple life can be! Enjoy, and thanks for stopping by! The overall ride ave. power and NP and Max power were really close together (1% or less difference at 150NP for entire ride and 500 watt maximums, with no particular pattern at low or high power, sometimes the P1 slightly higher, sometime lower. So if your Vectors stayed inside and were there all night at a relatively constant temp – there’s going to be little change and thus little reason for a zero offset. Not only will the best Esports riders of today join this World Championships, but also the top shots from multiple pro cycling … In essence, it differs by over 10%, and that cannot be … Should in theory be the other way. The bike shop that set me up did that. It doesn't have smartphone/ANT+/Bluetooth integration, but it does have secondary outlets. I think there are such close tolerances inside and some units will make this noise. I couldn’t move the cassette inward any more because the derailleur hanger had less than 1mm clearance against the trainer body. Pedal Pro Turbo Trainer + Tacx Trainer Tyre. You get repeatable power, a solid platform with a bit of movement for a more realistic feel, good cadence sensing, road feel, a responsive ERG mode and the option to run independent of mains power. I have contacted Tacx support and they suggested that the noise was normal – based on the video with EDCO removed, and hence not much they can do. Their repairs are quite mediocre, the head of the workshop’s sport is fishing!!! Wir konnten den Motor des NEO 2T mit noch mehr Leistung ausstatten. Of course, it’s not quite perfect – but it’s better than instantly stopping. Redefining the pinnacle of indoor bike training, the Tacx NEO 2T Smart, is made even better. I’ve also tried it with a different ANT+ dongle with the same results. 29 Januar 2017 #428 Nas hoch kann er nicht sein, da der Neo auch ohne Stromanschluss läuft. Where we get to now is the Tacx NEO. Dynamic inertia is developed to control the mass inertia (ride feel) as realistic as possible. I am comparing the Neo against a set of PowerTap P1 pedals. Tacx Neo - Sound Check and LED Light ShowTacx Neo (Amazon): http://amzn.to/2n0akcgTacx Neo T2800 Indoor Cycling Smart Trainer. This direct drive turbo trainer is Tacx's top-end trainer - i.e. This was included with my neo which arrived on Tuesday but the default is correct at 130mm. about avg cadence from whole ride). Hi, Perhaps I’m a bit more cynical there when folks talk about true road feel on trainers, as for me…it’s still a trainer. One thing to keep in mind is power(watts) = torque x angular velocity, so in ERG mode, if your cadence decreases it will make it seem considerably harder to pedal. Not much, and not enough to be heard in the apartment next door. Hi DC, do you know if it is possible to pair the Neo with the Fenix ? Tacx® NEO Bike Smart Trainer. The most powerful and silent Smart trainer. As you’ll have noticed, there’s no rear wheel here. Plus, the unit will simulate descents. I’ll continue to update this post as I get more time on the unit, as well as answer questions below in the comments. Check out The top-of-the-line model in the range, Tacx’s Neo 2T Smart is designed to give riders a realistic outdoors feel, but with as little noise as possible. I found it travels reasonably well. An internet seller answered my question on the return%. Now normally at €180, I’d so no, it’s not worth it. Enter the Tacx Neo 2T Smart. Perhaps as I do more and more Zwift sessions that’d change. Does anyone else get this? Beim Anschluss an eine externe Stromversorgung steht die Abfahrtssimulationsfunktion zur Verfügung. Viele Grüße . I also know the shop where it was purchased. Oh, and free US shipping too! I bet you don’t have any….. Mark. Is this due for a make-over / update yet? Previous to this Tacx had higher end trainers, but they never really felt higher end. What was their procedure. Diese realistische Funktion gibt es nur bei der NEO-Trainerserie und kann mit Tacx-Filmen und Zwift eingesetzt werden. The product developers of Tacx have not been idle since the launch and have added extra features, like Road Feel and isokinetic mode, for example. I would have a hard time doing it accurately with only 3 sec I think. So what about trainer feel? What I read worrying info about is what resistance is set (W) by TTS4. Yet, we've pushed its technical limits and created an even more quiet Smart trainer. Final Thoughts – Wahoo KICKR 2018 Version. Note that the low-frequency noise is not picked up that well in the phone and camera mics. No gear changing. I did the FTP test (short version) today in Zwift and used my vectors as well. When I put the 2mm spacer behind the cassette it solved this issue but then it pushes the cassette over to far that the Chain then fouls against the frame when in sprocket 11T or 12T. Thanks to its 2200 watts power, the device simulates 25% … Bob Peters, sorry to hear of your special circumstance and problem with the Neo. They haven’t yet published a way for those apps to talk to the NEO, whereas Wahoo has. Fix your Neo and be happy. Any suggestions on what could be wrong? In ERG mode it’s OK, though I’d be doing as you noted and looking at 10s or similar power (it’s how most people look at power meters). I have also encouraged anyone who asks as well. Dort erhalten Sie Beratung zu unseren Produkten und dazu, was am besten Ihren Wünschen entspricht. Road feel is fun and adds resistance as well which is interesting, and realistic. Bekijk onze verklaring voor meer informatie. But realistically you’re not going to need that. Not sure what it adds. Or maybe they know and can’t solve it easily and just say return the unit. Neo pairs easily. It’s as simple as that. Sure, they're not as powerful as a Wahoo Headwind, but I could literally buy 20 of them for the same price. I was thinking that perhaps I could import a file into connect or just manually edit the Garmin data. Shall I stick to road bikes for Zwift? DYNAMISCHE TRÄGHEIT. I rode a bit over an hour, did various intervals. I am afraid of the gears not being enough for going fast down the hill in the Watopia mountains. louder than a normal trainer, or have I got a dud? This product is expected in stock late February. €2,600.00. It’s still in a really good spot competitively, and I’m not sure where they’d go with it at this point to be honest. I’m now lost if this is only related to an older firmware, or the controlling app (I often read Trainerroad in this context), or if this is just the way the Neo handles resistance changes in ERG Mode? I think the road feel is largely the same, though some with more refined trainer palates might have different opinions. Can you put a trail bike on this? Verstanden. If you’re in your 39-19 it will be about 14 mph whereas if you’re in the 53-11 it’ll be considerably higher. Review An assessment or critique of a service, product, or creative endeavour such as art, literature or a performance. These cookies do not store any personal information. what I am trying to achieve is to have all power and cadence data recorded along with the HR data in the Garmin. If I install a Shimano 11sp cassette on the Neo, will I be able to use it with a 9sp or 10sp bike (I get that I wont reach all 11 gears but could it work as a “universal Shimano cassette) or is it necessary that the number of gears on the Neo cassette perfectly match that of the bike? Follow up… applied the correct torque to the cassette and it works fine without a spacer on the shimano 105 11 spd. Tacx has effectively gone for gold over the last year when it comes to trainers. upping gears, big ring, etc. I have the same 3 but Stages is on another bike. Tacx App also allows you to set the power. Seems to me from the list of fixes it addresses are non issues. It was me pushing the startbutton too late. It’s less concerning if we’re talking 15-20w at 500w during a sprint of sorts. Again, it’s totally optional and there’s no specific requirement. I never leave mine plugged in. I know you mentioned you had no issues but maybe that is due to frame size? Many power meters require that sort of initial tightening to stabilize accuracy-wise. Neue Tacx-Software. They work just fine. And a disadvantage of bringing the noise down….. Makes me think of what happened when smoking was banned in disco’s: more sweat odors This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. It’s a beast. There’s of course immense interest in this, given the claims of near silence of the trainer. Want to compare the features of each product, down to the nitty-gritty? After pulling the Neo 2T out of the box, it’s super simple to set up by simply unfolding the two legs. Er ist nun ein noch geräuschärmerer und leistungsfähigerer Smart-Direktantrieb. Product Weight: 93 lbs (42 kilograms) Drivetrain: Belt Drive. Just look at the list of differences and value their importance. Has anyone had to deal with Tacx after the warranty from the USA? I’d like to know how did you set up your P5X on Tacx Neo. There would be no issues using this trainer in any sort of noise-restricted setting, such as an apartment, or significant other who is desperately trying to watch Grey’s Anatomy re-runs in the same room. And even worse if they not will admit, that the whining is a product defect and we have to live with it. Works ok, not quite as slick as one unit. I won’t need Garmin FE-C enabled bike computer to have structured workouts from TR control resistance. Speaking of control, let’s talk about some of the basics. Did you ever compare the accuracy of the unit with other power meters? link to youtu.be. Compared with its predecessor, it is equipped with a bigger and stronger resistance unit together with a heavier flywheel. Ensure that the number of speeds matches your bike (e.g. The one produced by the human or the one on the other end of the line? Recently took back my 2nd flux after multiple issues, one of which was this same issue, and bit the bullet and got the NEO, all issues bar this are solved and its a super nice trainer must admit. Why haven’t you yet released a review for XYZ product you mentioned months ago? Die Geräuschentwicklung aufgrund interner Luftverdrängung wurde ebenso reduziert, wie jene Vibrationen, die man bei niedrigen Trittfrequenzen bemerkt und die bisher in den Boden eingeleitet wurden. Now I’m sure if you read a bunch of marketing materials they’ll sell you on slight resistance/max wattage levels of each trainer. This issue has been noted in previous comments – but my experience seems a bit extreme. Have also plugged the dongle directly into the computer to eliminate the cable as the problem with the same issue. Thanks for all the amazing reviews, which have been key in my purchases of bike computers and home trainers. (For US & European users), (**Update: The Tacx NEO has been superseded by the Tacx Neo 2T. €1,300.00. At least big one. Diese Website verwendet Cookies, unter anderem zur Analyse der Website und zur Verbesserung ihrer Benutzbarkeit für die Besucher. If yes, why it’s necessary? Help please! As I’ve said my problem is the cassette needs to move out 2mm for the chain line to straighten up with the crank. I noticed the vent facing upward had some sweat around it. Tacx Existing Private-ANT: Like before, Tacx also broadcasts to its desktop apps using a different channel. would like to know as of this point in time if tacx will be upgrading the Neo . By completely redesigning the electronics, the NEO 2 Smart has been given a more responsive control of the motor. Was hyped to get a Neo but not so much now, working out why there’s wheel slip on erg if it’s my weaker left knee or oval ring and it appears trek Crockett with sram force brakes don’t fit as I’ve had to loosen bolts so caliper isn’t so hard against turbo body?! You'll likely only use this tool once every 2-3 years. Do you think that’d be a good choice? I have owned a Tacx Neo for several years now. So you want to be leery of thinner plastics or moving parts made out of thin plastic (i.e. – -3% Vector = 253w So there’s a bit of sliding scale. 1 second recording. This does not include the cost of a cassette, which you’ll need to get elsewhere. That’s up to you to decide (or perhaps, more accurately – your house mates and neighbors). Thanks for reading! using my Fenix 3 to record data (Oddly it was pretty much the only thing that wasn’t wrong with my 1st flux). When this unit first arrived it tracked perfectly. Durch Verwendung dieser Website (oder indem Sie auf „OK“ klicken) stimmen Sie der Verwendung von Cookies zu. I also have quarry Zero four on so i record power from that but use trainerroad to train. As a former KICKR 1 and current Neo 1 user, the biggest issue of the Neo 1 for me is that the virtual flywheel has less “weight” in ERG mode compared with the other modes (I was told this from someone at Tacx): to me it is noticeable only when tired – but then the same watts start to feel nasty to pedal while simply switching to non-ERG modes results in much higher watts being much easier to … I think I understand what you just said. This is a product that should only be purchased from a local shop where it and bike fit can be tested before you shell out the big bucks. This is a direct drive trainer, which means that you remove your rear wheel on your bike to attach to the trainer. Even after I got it home and put the bike back on it I noticed the chain skimming the frame when in the smallest cog. I am doing my best to peal consistantly. Wahoo gets to the core of the matter. Besides that the trainer seems fine. These concerns are making me feel less confident about getting a replacement vs. doing a return/refund. So recently got a Neo, 2017 model, in USA. But it (like the KICKR) is built like a tank. I don’t have the definitive answer but I do unplug mine when it’s not in use. To answer the other part of your question, my spacing is 135mm. link to youtu.be. The theory here being that there’s no moving parts and thus nothing to get out of alignment, nor to warm-up such as a fluid trainer. 27.5? Easy place to look it up! It’s really difficult call between Kicker, Drivo and Neo, want to avoid wrong decision as this is very expensive stuff. With the NEO though, they’ve made something that’s anything but cumbersome. Beautiful material! 11-speed, 10-speed, 9-speed, etc...). It’s possible to use tacx neo for do a sprint test with isokinetic mode? Probably repeated with different gearing or cadences to see Just, a really nice trainer (albeit one that can sorta simulate downhill). So should I be concerned about this gap or do you think it’s normal? I don’t see it anyway. I’ll update/add as I see repeat questions. First, it's got wheel locks (so the darn thing stays put), and second, it has two water bottle holders (also useful for putting other things like remotes). Or is your standard trainer noise levels acceptable? Deze fiets bestaat uit een stevig frame, een in hoogte verstelbaar zadel en een geweldig stuur.