Rule 8 - Write up your theory if you link to an outside source. This would also explain why Vision is in the Vision and Scarlet witch tv show. This is what Marvel is planning to do. Past thanos went to the future (instead of killing and collecting stones)and died(2023) meaning the moment in time where he didn’t have the stones going forward wouldn’t exist. r/AskScienceFiction The Loki from the 2012 timeline who escapes with the tesseract is somehow going to be connected to the main timeline. We could get an iron man 4 for instance without marvel worrying about the main universe. It was a gut punch when Loki died at the beginning of Avengers: Infinity War, but because the Avengers saga now takes place in the multiverse, death is no longer permanent.Loki reappears in Endgame, but his fate at the end of that film isn’t exactly clear.Thankfully, the directors of that film, the Russo brothers, provided some clarity on what happens to Loki, perhaps offering clues to the … Tom (Loki) did reshoots fo endgame, then Marvel announced his tv show. Loki in the main universe is dead. [–]Vacuitarian 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago (7 children). Loki can appear in the movie and still be dead in the canon, if he appears to Thor in flashbacks. So, Loki is alive in this new timeline. Anything coming from Marvel just flat out can't be trusted. A fumble in 2012 leaves Tony, Steve, Scott, and Bruce’s target, the Tesseract, in the hands of Loki, who grabs it amid a scuffle and uses it to teleport off Earth. The Loki show will exist in its own universe that branched off when the fate of that stone was changed by Loki taking it. Where did Loki go? Many people have thought it was stupid for Loki to try to kill Thanos. But what about thanos, well in the main universe, Dr. strange only learned of Thanos once he had already began collecting the stones and reached earth, there was only one way to beat him. With Infinity Stones, alternate realities, and time travel involved, there's no end to the possibilities. But by creating a new timeline Marvel can make a Iron Man 4 if RDJ wants to. Theres a timeline (at least 2 even) where loki is still alive. Loki is no longer dead. That didn’t mean Loki didn’t appear in Endgame. Marvel could still keep the main universe and have fun making standalone movies with the main characters without worrying about them being in the new story arch. © 2021 reddit inc. All rights reserved. and join one of thousands of communities. Thor and Loki have a 900-year history together, so there’s plenty to explore in flashbacks.. It’s unlikely that a movie like Avengers: Endgame, with a cast so massive and a story so epic, will have time to indulge in lengthy … But, Loki could technically figure out a way to travel to the main timeline (time travel exists and Loki is a master of deception, it could work), and then the new tv series could take place there, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the FanTheories community. We see Loki again in Endgame, but it's kind of complicated. Basically, the Avengers travel back to different points in time to take the Infinity Stones so that they can undo Thanos's snap. Despite his death at the start of Avengers: Infinity War, Loki reappeared in Endgame as part of the team's time heist. And yes we also see Loki in Endgame. Wouldn't going back in time and changing something cause things to change in the future? Probably from Hel so they can turn around and smugly say "SEE, LOKI DID PERMANENTLY DIE FOR REAL THIS TIME WINK". Loki “died” at the end of his very first movie appearance in 2011’s Thor, falling into endless space, only it turned out to have fallen in with Thanos via his herald the Other. However, he was from 2012 Timeline, who escaped with the Tesseract. That 3 second scene was way more important than you think . First of all, he won’t be imprisoned in Asgard meaning he won’t have to fake his own death. This might change some things in his timeline. Loki will be getting his own Disney+ series sometime in 2021. Low effort posts include submissions that are just a title, posts that are joke/meme related or those with no evidence in them. You can’t change the future but if you change the past a new timeline breaks away. I don’t see how Loki can escape death earlier in the timeline in 2012 and change his fate in IW but changing the timeline for the presnap people won’t work . Tony had to go back to 1970 to retrieve the tesseract after tony failed and Loki took it in 2012. r/fixtheending. His answer was: " we all have to go throug Endgame first." But the Loki who escaped With the Tesseract is alive. Please do not include spoilers in the title of your posts, be as vague as possible. In time, you will know what it is like to lose. For more information, please read our in-depth policy on this rule. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The other timeline can not be changed. r/ShittyFanTheories This leads to there being 2 Lokis in the timeline, and when the regular one is killed by Thanos on the Asgardian ship the original Loki who teleported to that timeline via the Space stone watches from a distance, thus escaping death yet again. In the Avengers Endgame, Loki escaped after he was captured after the events of the first Avengers movie. r/pokemonconspiracies Kind of like DC cartoon movies that are not linked to the greater DC universe. [–]Asgardliveson 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children), Your right. Buy creating a new separate timeline we could get standalone movies. So read on to find out what happened to Loki after Endgame. Avengers: Infinity War killed off the God of Mischief, but the next installment brought him back into the fold and set up a new adventure for the character. That means Loki is off somewhere with the tesseract once again. Evidence makes for a good theory, this will be judged at the discretion of the mods. In a smaller scene, Thor and Rocket return to the Thor: The Dark World timeline to get the Reality Stone out of the Aether. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 4986 on r2-app-09cca20da4c730653 at 2021-03-08 15:18:36.878914+00:00 running b0724a4 country code: US. The point of that scene was to demonstrate a perfect accomplishment, timelines that continued as they did normall in spite of the stones temporary relocation. Though we did get two glimpses of Loki throughout Endgame — in one fleeting instance, as a prisoner on Asgard in 2013, as he was during the events of Thor: The Dark World. To all the people saying he’s in a different timeline , wrong ! Irreversible events such as Loki's escape and Thanos' time travel will only create new forks, with the same past. To where? He is in a new timeline split from the main universe. He actually had cameos in a few scenes while the Avengers were on the hunt for the Infinity Stones. Star Wars - All works related the Star Wars franchise. FanSpeculation - A theory speculating the contents of future works. Press J to jump to the feed. TV shows, movies, video games, anime, comic books, novels and even songs are things we like to see, but events pertaining to real life are not. [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children). But Loki might still be able to trick everyone into thinking that he was Odin. Where do you think Loki teleported to in Avengers End Game? Confirmed - Theories which have turned out to be right but must be back up with supporting external evidence. If he was originally taken to Asgard, it changed the timeline for him, in is present-future, not future-past, so just my $.02 but I think this is how they can launch the Disney + tv show. WARNING: Spoilers ahead for Avengers: Endgame.Don’t read on if you haven’t seen the film. nothing really matters in the mcu anymore as they are subscribing to the "multiple timelines" view of things. We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. [–]Vacuitarian 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (4 children). That will be the basis of his show. You can stream it on Netflix right now. Joker: Arthur Fleck was talking to an FBI Agent at the end, not a pyschiatrist. Loki met his end at the start of Avengers: Infinity War , but we all knew he wouldn’t stay dead forever. But then, since the Thanos of the past technically never got the stones, that also would've undone the snap in the future. We know Loki did reshoots for Endgame and then Marvel announced The Loki TV show which could explain this theory. This could also explain how Vision is alive in the Vision and Scarlet witch TV show. Think of it as a Git tree, and the forks are not merged back into the master (main timeline) and they never could. Even though he was not in most of the movie and they really didn't even make a big deal of it, when they time jump back to New York 2012 and are in the Stark building and Tony (2012) has his mild heart issue (thanks to piss-ant...lol) and the stone goes free, Loki grabs it and gets the hell out of there. Even though he was not in most of the movie and they really didn't even make a big deal of it, when they time jump back to New York 2012 and are in the Stark building and Tony (2012) has his mild heart issue (thanks to piss-ant...lol) and the stone goes free, Loki grabs it and gets the hell out of there. They brought the stone back to 1970, but Loki used it afer zhis in 2012 so he is alive in a new timeline. Look at the story from Nebula, that shows how it works. IF you have not seen Endgame, do not read as this contains spoilers!!!!! Not every character appearing in Avengers: Endgame has to necessarily be alive. Thy could make standalone movies in that timeline without worrying about killing off characters due to them aging. This is a clear statemand, that this scene set up for the show, [–]Anthrazl 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). Endgame could present a scenario in which Cap will sacrifice himself to save his friends and the rest of the world, going back to that idea of trading lives. [Secret World Legends][I Remember Lemuria] The Secret World as an extension of the Shaver Mystery. Main cast are aging and can’t do another 10 years story arch in phase 4. People shouldn't have to leave the sub to know what your theory is, please include a write up about your idea. Disney+ and alternate universes aside, the Loki of the MCU’s main timeline is most likely a goner. Technically, Loki doesn’t die in Avengers: Endgame. Maybe it was suicide. We also do not take too kindly to reposts or stolen content either, if you have copied and pasted a theory or article from elsewhere, you must make it abundantly clear that the idea belongs to someone else and give full credit. Dying in battle places you in Valhalla (that's how it worked in the comics, the movies might be different), so maybe he went there to talk to Odin or Frigga. Loki is no longer dead. r/trailers Avengers deaths: Loki KNEW he was going to die and THIS is why he did it AVENGERS INFINITY WAR showed Loki die and it was not an illusion. Or a black widow movie. This was not accomplished. This was explained by the ancient one how time travel works. So we’ll be talking about the Main timeline one. Using Endgame's own flawed time travel logic, that should create a branching timeline and a new--and likely very bad--series of events. I don't mind the idea of an alternate timeline starting from 2012, it would be a cool way to show different character progression. Related Subreddits: In that case, in addition to the new timeline created from the Battle of New York with Loki, … [–]Lord_Nightmares 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (1 child). There would be a timeline where Thanos simply disappeared and the whole Infinity War might never exist, but it doesn't affect the main timeline (our point of view). What Marvel did with Loki (Tom Hiddleston) in Avengers: Endgame shows how the MCU can bring Captain America (Chris Evans) back in Phase 4. The thanos in the past hasn’t acquired any of the stones yet(they mention he may have found a location for one )meaning none of the fighting and deaths of several characters have happened yet . Marvel - All works related to Marvel content, MCU, video games and Comics. Loki escaping takes place in a separate timeliness from the MCU, Which could lead to standalone movies that is not linked to the greater marvel universe. If you didn’t catch Captain America: Civil War, you may want to go back and watch it before Endgame. you could go to 10 different timelines and get 10 different lokis and bring them to your timeline if you like, who cares anymore. No there's not, hulks and the ancient ones conversation showed that if they return the stones to where they were taken it put everything back to how it was to allow only one time stream to operate instead of several. Well RDJ and other Original Avengers are getting older and won’t be able to do another 10 year story arch Marvel is planing with Phase 4. Why would marvel do this? I think they have a slight continuity issue. It is explained in the movie. As established in Endgame, there is now a separate timeline because of the … There are potential explanations for how he survived, and his magical abilities could've made his death all the more believable, but if this theory is right, and the main MCU timeline Loki died here, then he could've been replaced by the Loki from the alternate timeline, who was introduced during Avengers: Endgame. “Interestingly, Loki has a show,” Joe Russo told Entertainment Weekly. It would be one off movies and done could explain black widow movie if it is not a prequel. [–]Fanatical_Idiot 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (5 children). Subjects that commonly fall under this rule include blockbuster series like Marvel and Star Wars, and theory ideas that caught on like "purgatory" theories. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! We ask that you flair your post based on these criteria: FanTheory - A theory regarding past or present works. r/AnimeTheory In a post to Reddit’s “Fan Theories” community, redditor u/DangerAinger explains how Endgame’s alleged time travel plot could allow Loki to bring himself back to life. But that’s only because he is already dead. This is a tricky bit of storytelling, because if we are to believe the concept of time travel as it’s laid out in Endgame, Loki never teleported at all. This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. As mentioned, Loki’s appearance in “Endgame” comes during the part of the film where the Avengers enact their big plan to undo the damage Thanos did at the end of “Infinity War.” This show might explain the new break away timeline. The past got reset after the stones were returned as mentioned by the ancient one. Lokis death is final because the events of infinity war still happened, nothing changed everyone just came back. So, another way to phrase it is Loki does not come back to life in Endgame. r/plotholes Rendered by PID 4986 on r2-app-09cca20da4c730653 at 2021-03-08 15:18:36.878914+00:00 running b0724a4 country code: US. So stupid, one could call it suicide. Why do that with Loki and What does this mean, well this could be Marvel opening the door to standalone marvel movies that have nothing to do with the main universe. Whether you want to promote your podcast, Youtube channel or blog, we do ask that you contact the mod team via mod mail before you post, but we are more likely to turn you down if it is not FanTheory related. He is creating a new timeline. [–]Prax150 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children). Aside from the whole "It is definitely NOT called End Game" situation, here's some more Marvel making comments that clearly aren't reliable. The Truman Show is The Fall of Man 2, Jim Carrey Bogaloo. So, where did Loki go? . Although Loki didn’t appear in the rest of Endgame, the Russo Brothers went on record to clear up what many of Loki’s fans are hoping to learn: whether or not a version of Loki is, in fact, alive. Meta - Posts regarding the sub-Reddit itself. But with Loki creating a new timeline, this new timeline could be one where Thanos never came or the stones had already been destroyed. With all that in mind, we have at least two major timelines joining the MCU-timeline after Endgame, including the 2012-Loki and the 2014-No-Thanos. Which kind of brings up my next point . Going back in time to "fix" the time heist will only create another fork. Topics we receive a large number of submissions about will be subject to higher quality standards than other posts. Whether it's the name of the movie, show or video game, please tell us what you're talking about by putting the name in the title. Loki escaping with the Space Stone isn't the only instance in where Avengers: Endgame creates a new timeline. We ask for at least 2 paragraphs of writing about your theory and a specific citation from the work. Steve and Tony didn't get the stone in 2012 though, Loki did. They incidentally changed the past. Well, I have a theory that when the Avengers head back in time to retrieve the Space stone in Endgame, when Loki got ahold of it he teleported to a new timeline. While the Ancient One states it's the Infinity Stones that will create new timelines, directors the Russo brothers have stated that same logic holds true when altering anything in the timeline. No, when the ancient one explained how timeline works, it's linear. They had to go further back to 1970 for it, so that is when Steve would have went back to return it. it wasnt reset, people seemed to really misinterpret that scene, its just a new timeline. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. And for posts that are not marked with the spoiler flair, please use spoiler tags in the comment section: Rule 5 - Add the media name to your title. Thanos easily killed him at the beginning of the movie after he decided to get tricky. And that would mean that Bruce snapping everyone back into existence would've ultimately been pointless. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: It's okay to dislike a theory but it's not okay to dislike a person because they don't agree with you, so please treat people with respect. A new time line could be one where Loki destroys the stones or one where thanos never showed up. I heard there's an incoming Loki TV show tho. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. I'd bet money at this point Loki comes back somehow. It's not a separate universe/dimension. As for the Sentinel of Liberty, … [–]Fanatical_Idiot -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (0 children), [–]Asgardliveson 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children). In the BBC interview from january 2019, Tom was asked about the Loki show. One of the more humorous moments of Avengers: Endgame comes when the team first tries to procure the Tesseract, and instead it ends up in the hands of the captured Loki. MarvelLoki Avengers Endgame SPOILERS (self.FanTheories). Meaning tony went back in the same timeline to retrieve it , and also meaning that Loki escaping in 2012 actually kept within the same timeline but basically erased “the dark world “ the only problem I have is either it’s two timelines that would seriously go against what the ancient one said to hulk , or it’s the same timeline and basically erased the events in the dark world and that means thors mom is alive , remember Jane woke up alone ... and in the dark world she was with thors mom when she woke up. That means in thus new timeline, he creates his life new. Loki escaped with the tesseract in 2012 while at the same time when he's supposed to be in an agrardian prison. Rule 3 - Theories must be about creative works.